ve

1 prep. "as, like" Nam, RGEO:66, Markirya, MC:213, 214, VT27:20, 27, VT49:22; in Narqelion ve may mean either "in" or "as". Ve fírimor quetir *”as mortals say” VT49:10, ve senwa or senya “as usual” VT49:10. Followed by genitive, ve apparently expresses “after the manner of”: ve quenderinwë coaron “k” “after the manner of bodies of Elven-kind” PE17:174. Tolkien variously derived Quenya ve from older wē, bē or vai VT49:10, 32, PE17:189 2 pron. “we”, 1st person pl. inclusive corresponding to exclusive me, derived from an original stem-form we VT49:50, PE17:130. Variant vi, q.v. Stressed wé, later vé VT49:51. Dative *wéna véna, VT49:14. Dual wet, later *vet “the two of us” inclusive; cf. exclusive met VT49:51. Also compare the dative form ngwin or ngwen q.v., but this would apparently be *wen *ven according to Tolkien’s later ideas.